Simon Sinek on Infinite Games and Broken Capitalism

TL;DR

Business is an infinite game: known and unknown players, changeable rules, and the objective of staying in the game rather than winning it. Leaders who talk about being number one or beating competitors reveal they misunderstand the game, and Sinek links that finite mindset to falling trust, cooperation, and innovation, plus company lifespans dropping from 60 years to 17.

Transcript

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Key Insights

• A finite game is defined by known players, fixed rules, and an agreed-upon objective, like football or baseball. It has a beginning, middle, and end, and if there is a winner there must also be losers.
• An infinite game is defined by known and unknown players, changeable rules, and the objective of perpetuating the game. Anyone can join at any time, every player can play however they want, and the goal is staying in the game as long as possible.
• Playing with a finite mindset in an infinite game produces predictable and consistent outcomes: the decline of trust, the decline of cooperation, and the decline of innovation. Sinek argues this is why so much of modern business feels broken.
• Nobody wins marriage, education, health care, career, or business. A person can come first in school only because everyone agreed on a time frame and on metrics called grades, but no company is ever declared the winner of business.
• When Circuit City went bankrupt, Best Buy did not win anything. All that happened is the game lost one of its players, other players filled the gap, and Best Buy still had to reinvent because Amazon became a new competitor.
• The average lifespan of a company fell from 60 years to 17 years, which Sinek presents alongside declines in innovation, employee disengagement, and lack of loyalty as measurable results of finite-minded capitalism.
• Shareholder supremacy makes a disinterested external constituency more important than a customer or an employee. Sinek compares it to a coach trying to build a great team by taking advice from fair-weather fans while ignoring the needs of the players.
• Young workers who move between jobs are behaving rationally, not disloyally. They grew up watching their parents get laid off through no fault of their own when companies used mass layoffs to balance books after missing profit promises.

Questions & Answers

Q: What is the difference between a finite game and an infinite game?

A finite game has known players, fixed rules, and an agreed-upon objective, such as football or baseball. It has a beginning, middle, and end, and a winner implies losers. An infinite game has known and unknown players, meaning anyone can join at any time and you may not know who the other players are. Its rules are changeable, so every player can play however they want, and the objective is simply to perpetuate the game and stay in it as long as possible.

Q: Who came up with the infinite game concept?

The original definition was proposed by a theologian and philosopher named Dr James Carse back in the mid 1980s. Sinek had known about Carse's work for years and had read his original book, Finite and Infinite Games, which he describes as a kooky little philosophy book. He realized it was starting to affect the way he thought, and when he applied that definition to his own work and to the business world, the implications for how leaders talk about competition became clear to him.

Q: Why is business an infinite game rather than a finite one?

No company is ever declared the winner of business. There is no agreed-upon time frame, no agreed-upon set of metrics, and no fixed roster of players, since new competitors can enter at any time and existing ones can change how they play. Sinek puts business alongside marriage, education, health care, and career as games nobody wins. You can come first for a finite stretch inside an agreed frame, like grades at school, but the larger game continues past any such measurement.

Q: What happens when leaders play with a finite mindset in an infinite game?

Playing to win in a game that has no finish line produces predictable and consistent outcomes. The big ones Sinek names are the decline of trust, the decline of cooperation, and the decline of innovation. He argues you can hear the problem in the language leaders use: they talk about being number one, being the best, or beating their competition, without being able to say based on what agreed-upon metrics, objectives, or time frames. Not knowing the game you are in leads to the wrong strategy.

Q: Did Best Buy win when Circuit City went bankrupt?

No. Sinek uses this as his clearest illustration that business has no winner. When Circuit City went bankrupt, Best Buy did not win anything. All that happened is that the game lost one of its players, and other players filled the gap. Best Buy still had to learn to reinvent itself, because Amazon had become a new competitor and the company had to completely change the way it wanted to play. Otherwise it would fall out of the game as well.

Q: What is wrong with shareholder supremacy according to Simon Sinek?

Shareholder supremacy elevates a disinterested external constituency above customers and employees. Sinek compares it to the coach of a team trying to build a great team by taking advice from fair-weather fans while ignoring the needs of the players. He places its rise alongside the routine use of mass layoffs to balance books, where a company that was profitable, just not as profitable as promised, cuts jobs anyway. That, he says, is not a meritocracy.

Q: Why are younger employees less loyal to employers?

Sinek does not blame them. He points out how they grew up: they watched their parents get laid off through no fault of their own because of a system he calls insane, where mass layoffs are used regularly to balance the books after a company misses its own profit promises. If loyalty was not extended to their parents, there is little reason for them to extend it back. He connects this to broader increases in stress, disengagement, malaise, depression, anxiety, and the great resignation.

Q: How did Simon Sinek prepare for his Start With Why TED Talk?

He had been giving that talk for three years and the shortest version he had ever done ran an hour. When invited to do the TEDx event he turned down a rehearsal, reasoning it was the same content he already knew. The night before, he realized he had never done it in 18 minutes and panicked, figuring he would just leave some things out. Right before speaking to a room of only about 50 people, he walked around the block to replace his eight-minute introduction with a 30-second one.

Q: Did Simon Sinek expect the Start With Why talk to go viral?

He did not expect it to do what it did, comparing the outcome to winning the lottery. At the same time he says it makes sense to him, because it is a deeply human message and three years of giving the talk had already shown him that people related to it. He also credits timing: TEDx was a relatively new thing then and there were not many events, whereas now there are thousands each year, so he doubts it would pop the same way today.

Q: What did the covid pandemic change for Simon Sinek personally?

He went to Los Angeles for what he thought would be a couple of months near his sister and her family while covid blew over, and he is still there, so he now considers himself a resident. More significantly, the pandemic stopped what he calls the hamster wheel of career. He had assumed he was setting the speed by how fast he ran, and the hard lesson was that he was only running to keep up. Getting off gave him room for introspection.

Q: How does Simon Sinek think about measuring success?

He believes in measuring success not by hitting absolutes but by counting momentum, and he applies this to individuals as well as to businesses, noting that momentum is much easier to maintain than absolutes are to hit. It fits with a broader practice he describes: the world is made up of balance, anything good comes at a cost worth considering, and anything bad carries opportunity or lessons. He tries not to take good for granted and to get something out of bad.

Summary & Key Takeaways

• Sinek moved to Los Angeles when covid struck, planning a couple of months near his sister's family, and stayed. He describes the pandemic as a shock that stopped the hamster wheel of his career, giving him time to sit, breathe, do a lot of introspection, and decide how he wants to spend the rest of his life.

• The Start With Why TED Talk came after three years of giving the same material, never in under an hour. He declined a rehearsal, panicked the night before at the 18-minute limit, and walked around the block to cut an eight-minute introduction down to thirty seconds for a room of about 50 people.

• The infinite game concept was proposed by theologian and philosopher Dr James Carse in the mid 1980s in his book Finite and Infinite Games. Sinek applies it to business: leaders who speak of being the best or beating competitors cannot name the agreed metrics, objectives, or time frames that would make such claims meaningful.

• Sinek calls himself a die-hard capitalist who rejects the recent distorted form of it. He dates the dismantling of Adam Smith's infinite mindset to the late 1970s and early 1980s, names Jack Welch as the poster child, and ties the result to stress, malaise, depression, anxiety, and the great resignation.