Oh, yeah. These. It's the fairy ring shot. Yeah. Yeah. These are special fairy rings. Wait. So, like, did you just wanna talk about the workshop? Yeah. I wanted to tell me, like, how does it work. So you had a space, and then what happened, like, when people arrived? Yeah. So there was two different places that we did it at. One was called Mecira, which is in the dark garden closer to where I live. It's, like, part of this place called Impact Hub.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so somebody knew somebody was renting that room and so we used it. Yeah. And then the other one was Casino for Social Medicine, which is on Sadhgali. And both of the situations, was kinda like we knew somebody and then went down there. And, like, since it was the first time we did it, I we basically decided we need to have kind of like an onboarding station so that, like, by the time everyone is in the room at a table, like, thinking about something to do, basically, at least have, like, a basic stuff.

So if I arrive at the workshop, I will arrive at the onboarding station. Yeah. Pretty much. And the onboarding station was, like, these zines and then us sort of, like, talking with people. And then didn't have the zines at the first workshop. The first workshop was kinda, like, testing a little bit. And there, we just put a piece of paper and explained it to people. So you figured that was better so people could have their own zine that they can take away Mhmm.

And made them for the second one. Yeah. Just so that we didn't have to, like because the whole thing where you sort of sit down and you ask yourself these questions about, like, what do I value and what skills do I have. Like, that sort of self reflective stuff. So we were like, okay. Give people some time in the beginning to, like, do some thinking about it. And then when, like, enough people were there, we sort of had, like, a round circle conversation.

And what were these questions? Like, what what do I offer and value part of the onboarding or already part of the They were part of the onboarding. Yeah. So, like, in the in the little scene, like, the first page is, like, what values and priorities matter really, and then we sort of had questions, like, specific questions to get people thinking about things and how it gets themed. Because I think Three things you need to survive.

That that's kinda cool what people would would Yeah. And so, like, feedback that we got at the first workshop was that it's better to give people, like, specific questions to think about to frame these sort of, like, big concepts, like values and priorities and goals and whatnot. So that's why you came up with these three questions. And there could be any questions like that. And then the next part is about, like, what skills and capacities do you have, and, like, that could be resources, that could be things that you help other people with.

Yeah. Like, tools, items, resources, skills. And then it's also, like, things that you could share easily without it being, like, a a big stress for you. Because, like, obviously, we could all, like, move people's, like, like, you know, help people move houses every day, but, know, eventually Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's sort of like asking, like, what do you have that you can easily share that isn't, like, gonna stress you out or, like Right.

And then the next part was sort of about things that you value that don't exist yet. Oh, I like this part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what would you like to see? Yeah. That's sort of the imagination. Yeah. I think this part has a lot to do with that. So Okay. So how many people did you have? The first one, I think it was, like, 18 or something. And then the second one was a bit smaller. Don't publish this, but we might take some names on the sign up sheet.

Can I actually if I use your name and email? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I was in the second one. I just don't remember much. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Was there. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Good thing you reminded me that I was there. I was like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Be aware. You know now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the second the first one was sort of like, Ruzgar and Jakob are these two people, and Ruzgar is you know Ruzgar. Mean, and Jakob is sort of, like, his job is sort of, like, group facilitation, activation.

I really don't know what he does. He seems unemployed, but also employed at the same time. And now actually those two guys are they're in New York and they're Jacob knows all these like big conferences for investors who wanna do like climbing stuff. Do something good with their money and wash their hands with it. You know? Greenwashing money. Yeah. Oh, give us some sweet greenwashing money. Yeah. So they're out there to right now just, like, trying to do all these events.

And then afterwards, actually, they're gonna go to Brazil. No. I guess that's the plan. I don't know. It's kinda weird. Like, out of the blue, Ruskov was like, yeah. I think I'm gonna be gone for the next three months. And we were just kinda like, okay. And so he wasn't there, and neither was Jacob for the second workshop. That was more me and Kern. And I think, like, we just didn't like, because when we were doing the invites and everything, we were sort of saying come to both.

But we didn't really, like, put any emphasis on either one, and then Ruskar was inviting and putting emphasis on In the first one. On the first one. Because he was gonna be there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so the second one was, like, there was there was really sweet people there, but it was But that's lots of quality, but it's not quantity. Exactly. I think so. Amazing people like me, you know, so that's what Exactly.

Yeah. The first one was a bit more like party vibes, little bit more chaotic. Okay. And the second one was definitely more like quiet introspective, like And you already have the zines and stuff? Mhmm. Yeah. And so now we sort of have like, a format and, like, a protocol for workshops. So we can do them wherever, whenever. I think we wanna keep doing them. Nice. And would people also, like, create, like, an account?

Like, what was part of the onboarding? Yeah. It was, like, make an account and then, you know, you use the the zine to sort of write down Oh, yeah. Yeah. It has, like, a link for your username. Yeah. Yeah. And then, like, you sort of write down, brainstorm your values and your capacities. And then there was, like, a minute that we had for, like, okay, everyone put this like, we showed people the interface and we're like, okay.

This is where you can sort of structure the things that you care about and put them in sort of a tree Mhmm. And put them in folders if you want. But, you know, like, this is how you do it, and then we also just sort of had a conversation where we went around and we're like, what things do you value? And that was actually, like, conversation actually to have it. It's amazing. Yeah. Because I mean, you don't really think about it, but like sharing, like, the things that you really care about to a group of people is like very Oh, that's so beautiful.

Yeah. So let let's show it up like as an example. You don't need to, of course, give me the name of anyone. Oh, I mean, like, it was totally different kinds of things. A lot of people were, like, yeah, friendship. Some people were, like, service. It was sort of, like like, people would say stuff, and there was an imaginary basket of all the things people have said and then we would like, yeah. I agree with everything there.

And then also, like, these things and, like, yeah. Some of it was was centric, some of it was more vague. Like transportation was something that I didn't think about before, but was somebody's value. Yeah. Like, community, friendship, listening, stuff like that. Like yeah. Pretty much human needs. Yeah. And, like, art and expression and creativity, that was pretty common. Games. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Very nice. Combo.

And then, like, when it came to skills and capacities, like, some people were, like, yeah. If you ever need to just, like, sit down and eat a meal and talk, like, I can offer that, you know. And, like, somebody was like, I have a bathtub in my apartment if you ever need a hot bath. That's so cool. So that was also really sweet. And also, like, I like it that it was not things that, you know, would normally be, like, like, on the market.

Mhmm. I mean, I know that there are weird markets. For example, in Japan, they hire, like, a boyfriend. Oh, wow. Like, there were someone to go with you in a in a restaurant. I mean, they have that here too. It's just, like, less polite name. I don't know if the boyfriend No. No. In Japan, it's just someone that sits with you, so you're not alone. Oh. That's kinda sweet. Yeah. But it's weird because I don't I don't really know exactly how it works.

Mhmm. The articles that I read is more about, you know, oh, like, people are, like, lonely, and it's about appearance to be in the restaurant without appearing, you know. Mhmm. But, you know, it would be nice to see an interview with someone that says, like, oh, I actually I think the person I can do. Like, I'm their their friend. It's not like just, oh, I'm here to to look present, you know Yeah. Yeah. For the world.

Yeah. I don't know about the bathtub though. That's why don't know about the bathtub. But now, actually, on the interface, I have access to a hot bath for, like, some amount of days of the month. And I'm actually thinking about doing it because You don't have a bathtub? No. Just I have a shower and our shower. Have a bathtub before. Yeah. Okay. I might be a bit more comfortable taking it, but I'll give you a place.

Random guy who came to the workshop. He was very nice, but I was like, what the hell are you? But that could be interesting too. Right? I think it would be, like, a funny kinda because we were also thinking about, like, okay. We have this interface now, and then how do we get people to know about it? And, like, me and Karen have been saying, like, social media. Like, we need to make an Instagram for it and kinda, like, make a bunch of stuff that, like, demonstrate how it works.

And, like yeah. I don't know. I was thinking, you can make a little video out of it and be like, I need a hot ass. So I'm going here today. I don't know this person. Like, you know, like a day in the life of Yeah. Yeah. That would be that would be a really cool, you know, little video of those things because I think these are really valuable things that because they're not for sale. Yeah. People don't immediately think about, you know, that as something something accessible.

Yeah. Or it could even be something smaller, like, friend has a dehydrator. You know? And maybe, like, you could put your apples on there. Yes. I go pick up some apples from you, and then I bring them to the dehydrator. Yeah. Some dehydrated apples, and then I give the app dehydrated apples back to you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I'm thinking of getting some people to pick up the rest of the apples tomorrow because I still have apples.

Yeah. Yeah. Now they're, like, on the smaller side, but still, it's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Would definitely put that that there. No. It's good. I think this is also kinda like it's still a little bit buggy. I mean, it's working, but you have to, like, make the sort of unit number that you have really high or else the the program can't really, like, divide it in people. So it's like there's parts of it that we're talking about.

It's pretty much usable now. I think, like, what me and Herm was talking about, like, there's, like, this hotel, like, continental hotel or something that's, like, a space or something that helps refugees. I really don't know how it works, but it used to be a hotel. And they were like, yeah. I kinda wanna do workshops there, but I'm also, like, I'm nervous about giving a tool to people who might be vulnerable before it's, like, actually solid.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a very good concern, I think. So I'm also yeah. Like, we process it. You know, just be using them with, like, guinea pigs. Vesiphorin can be really real Yeah. Exactly. Because if people depend on it Exactly. Like, blacks out. Exactly. And and what came up, like, interesting stuff about the needs in the city and environment that is also part of the questions? I mean, me and Ilsa were, like, writing stuff down, and it was, like, what things would you change?

And then I was thinking, like, about your neighborhood, and then I was thinking about, like, just, like, the amount of, like, people who are, like, a little bit mentally ill and on drugs. And not like they're bad or anything, but, like, that I would like them to have help and support if they need it and food and housing and stuff like that. And, like yeah. I don't know. I feel like but not just, like, people without homes, but also just generally, like, mental health.

I would like there to be maybe a bit more, like, concern and conversations about it. Yeah. Because I feel like a lot of people are just really, like Yeah. I also think that a lot of the homes and health that are available, they're not really prepared to deal with someone else's mental health or something. It's almost like they are self excluded from a lot of that. Hello. There's a dog on it. And then yeah.

I guess, I don't know, like trees, gardens, stuff like that, like, green space in the city. How much is your trip? But I thought that was, like, 3 something. Yeah. I mean, funding for the arts is a big one. Yeah. Good question. You like you like to have that in order to make sure. I do notice actually a lot in the winter because I feel that a lot of people that are, you know, maybe have some homeless situation or, you know, like, going through, like, mental issues, they're just kinda outside chilling or maybe sleeping outside, and I guess the the weather is good.

Yeah. But then when the winter comes, they it's actually, like, going to, like, the subway station. It's like, wow. It's really intense. Yeah. You see a lot of stuff. Yeah. And that's not because, you know, it gets more. It's just that they don't have a space on the side. So they go to a place where it's open to anyone without having to hang. Yeah. Which and that ends up being because, you know, they cannot go to a neighborhood fair or something like that because that's a place that you have to pay for.

And they cannot be outside because it's too which is also, like, a public space. Yeah. And it becomes really concentrated. And and you see some social workers, you know, there, like, talking to them and stuff.

I think that then starts eating your food. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like those things are more like a really, like, a, you know, like a little tip of the iceberg. It's a really larger problem. It's not something that, oh, no. Oh, what is the solution? It's not like just something easy. But that that's actually a super interesting question of thinking what kind of things that may be small would help. Yeah. Right?

Like, for example, when the person was suggesting for someone to take a hot bath. Yeah. That's something really small. Yeah. You know? Like, why you you get to, like, that would Mhmm. Right? Yeah. So even if, like, let's call it let's say there was, like, a, you know, like a public hot tubs and you can get, like, a voucher to go there and have, like, a day, like, at the spa and, the you know? Yeah. Maybe that would actually alleviate a little bit.

It wouldn't solve the problem, but it might help a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. To offer that. Think something like that. Yeah. Like, warm public showers. Not even the shower baths. Baths. Yeah. Baths. Yeah. And that's crazy because, like, the Roman side is Yeah. Like, it's not that insane to think of, like, as a interesting. Now we're totally going on, like, a tangent. But, traditionally, like, bath was something public.

Mhmm. You didn't have a bath at your house. Yeah. Yeah. You would go I don't know how often. Depends on the climate and everything. Right? Or you would go to a you could have a bath. Mhmm. And that would be, like, a a public place where people would hang up. And this totally got, you know, changed to having it at your place as a sign of, like, convenience. But is it is it better? Maybe it's not, actually. Maybe it's actually really nice to be able to go to Oh, I mean, also, like, socially, I think it's important.

Like, if you have a place where, like, everyone meets up and then you talk and relax, you're like Yeah. You know? It's like it's like a bar, but much healthier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One thing that I do is, like, especially helping a lot in the winter is that my gym includes, like, a salon. Oh, yeah. And it's super nice, super fancy, but I'm so happy that I pay in that And it totally, like, makes my winter so much better.

Because I don't have a sun. I have a bath, but it's different. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a a shower is great. A shower is great. A bath is, like, you can tell that it's better. And then the sound is, like Yeah. You leave it in your body. It's like tops. It really Yeah. Relaxes. Especially in the winter. So as a masala at home, I even consider, like, during COVID, when there was, like, a winter coming and lockdown, I had two options.

Like, if I couldn't escape to the Canary Islands, which is what I ended up doing, I would buy a salad to put in the bed. Like, a tiny one, like, one by one meter there or something like that. That's what I was gonna do. Yeah. Yeah. To survive. Yeah. You have to, though. It's it's harsh. So that could be interesting. Yeah. Yeah. True. But I think, like, once you just have these thoughts and then have conversations about it with other people, you the ideas start rolling and then you're like, oh, this is a good idea.

This is a good idea. Maybe it makes sense for all of us to, like, get together and petition the city to give us public goods. Yeah. Yeah. Or even if it was, like, you know, like, I don't know, like, a date, or could do that. Or or let's say if the social workers are there, they could, like, give the voucher and it had to be personal so the person has to use them themselves. And then Yeah. Else that you I don't know.

Something that you learned during the workshop that that you wanna know do differently or Well, I kinda learned that introducing someone to the interface, like, one on one is a bit easier. Like, you know, because it's because then you can show somebody, like, what you have and then what they have and then show, like, By clicking around, you can show them. Neither of the workshops we did, we managed to figure out the projector, and maybe a projector would, like, fix that.

But yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I realized the on sharing of the Yeah. Like, the mechanics part of it. What's the other one? I have an old projector in case you want one of these days. To be sharing that. It's very old, but I think it still works. Yeah. No. I mean, it was more just, like, there was supposed to be a projector at the space, and then they couldn't find it. And see. It works. So I see. Yeah.